Posted by Max Davis as Blogging Lessons, Internet Marketing, My Mistakes
Sometimes knowing what not to do is as good as or better than knowing what you should do. This post will hopefully be one of those cases for you…
Do you know one of the top reasons why people don’t make money online?
I’ll tell you. They pick the WRONG market!
Not all niche markets are good business ideas for websites. It’s not that big of a deal. This is the internet, and not everyone in the world is out to make money from their website. Some would rather spend 20 hours a day writing content about rare tropical birds and they could care less if they make a dime from their effort.
The problem arises when you DO want to make money online, and then you decide to spend 20 hours a day writing about rare tropical birds even though it’s almost impossible to make money from that topic.
Don’t Fall In Love With A Topic
I get lots of emails from readers of this site asking for advice about their website or how they can make money, etc. It’s fun because I like to help people as much as I can, but unfortunately the majority of the emails I get go something like this:
Hi Max,
I want to start a website on nature trails (or fill in any hobby here). My family loves to go hiking and there are not enough good websites out there that show where the best nature trails are. My plan is to build a massive resource of the best nature trails in the United States. I want to quit my job and earn my living from this website because nature trails are my passion. I think I can sell calendars with nature trail photos to make money, as well as charge for advertising.
Can you give me any advice to make this happen?
Here’s my advice…don’t do it!
If you want to create a hobby website based on your passions, by all means go for it. If you want to make money on the internet, you absolutely MUST pick a topic that is proven to make money. The amount of money you want to make depends on which topic you pick. The more competitive the topic is, the more money there is to be made.
There’s a reason why you don’t see any advertisers in google for the search term “tropical birds”. It’s because nobody is making money on that topic. If there was money to be made, someone would be advertising for those keywords. Also, what makes you think you can sell advertising on your website if google doesn’t even have any advertisers for this topic?
So that’s one very important lesson when researching a profitable website topic, there has to be people advertising in that market. Let’s take a look at the search phrase “make money” in google. If you click that link, you’ll see there are more than 1,000 advertisers paying for that phrase! Do you think someone’s making money in that niche market?
A huge mistake I made when first starting out was thinking if there were no advertisers in my market, then I would step in and clean up since I would get all the traffic and the traffic would be cheap. And I was right. I WAS able to BUY 2000+ clicks per day in google adwords for the phrase “baby names” at just $0.05 per click. Lots of traffic, cheap traffic, but at the end of the day I was spending $100 a day and not making any money in sales.
Want to know how to find the best niche markets? It’s simple…you steal the research of the experts.
Ok, maybe stealing isn’t the right word, but using their data that is freely available to anyone online can save you a lot of time and headache.
Here’s what you do…
Go to About.com and click on Browse By Topic (or click here to go straight there). About.com is a major information publisher who makes their money by writing about profitable content. So much so, that About.com was acquired by The New York Times for about $410 million in cash back in 2005! Do you think they know what they are doing?
You can be pretty certain if About.com covers a topic, then that topic will likely be a good potential business to start. About.com is written by “guides” and these guides are paid based on how much their content makes for About.com. I’ve read somewhere that there are some guides for About.com that make over $100k per year writing content!
Just looking at the topics listed under the letter N, I see at least 5 topics that could all be a profitable website businesses.
- Nascar
- Needlepoint
- Newlyweds
- Nutrition
- New York City Travel
Picking the topic itself is only one piece of the puzzle though. It also depends on what you do with the topic. For example, if you picked Nascar from above, most people would see that topic and immediately come up with a website idea such as starting a fan club site for a specific driver. Or maybe they would want to write a blog about their views of last week’s Nascar race.
Those ideas to me, are hobby sites that you could do for fun, not for profit. If I were to tackle the Nascar market, I would focus on where the money is. Things like selling the Nascar racing gear, partnering with and promoting the “nascar experience” driving schools, brokering ticket sales for races, or even creating Nascar getaway vacations and sell travel packages including hotels, tickets, pit passes, etc.
What about a monthly membership where you interview one Nascar driver each month by asking the driver questions that were submitted by your members. (note - it’s not as difficult to get interviews with celebrities as you might think, especially if you have a “business” in the industry such as your nascar website.)
One thing you always need to keep in mind if you want to make money from a website is “How is this going to make money?”. That MUST be your first question when doing market research. Without knowing where the money is coming from, you will be driving your business without a map.
You can’t just assume your website idea will be supported by enough advertisers to let you quit your day job.
I just remembered a great quote (I can’t remember who said it), but it’s a perfect fit for this post. It went something like this:
“What does it take to have a successful restaurant, great tasting food or cheap prices?”
Answer - “neither, I just need a crowd of starving people!”
In other words, I think people sometimes get caught up in all the nitty gritty details about starting an internet business. They get so sidetracked on SEO, pay per click, article marketing, etc, rather than just focusing on finding the starving crowd of people and giving them what they want.
When you are able to find these starving markets, it’s so much easier to make money from your website.
Think about it…if you were starving and there was only one restaurant within 50 miles of you, would it matter than the restaurant is charging $15 for a cheeseburger?
That’s the difference between being in the right market (making lots of money) and being in the wrong market (with an empty bank account).
Make sense?
14 Responses
Sheamus
April 15th, 2008 at 1:21 am
1Good post. I had no idea About.com was sold for so much money, or, indeed, why; I find that site horrendous, and every time I end up there (by mistake, through a link I hadn’t checked out thoroughly enough in the taskbar), I close the window immediately.
That said, your advice is sound; if an organisation like that is giving room to a given topic, inevitably it must be popular enough to warrant the attention.
Although: they do have quite a detailed section on birds.
Robert
April 15th, 2008 at 4:08 am
2Good article. I see so many people saying that passion for the topic is what you need. If you want to write because you like to write, then go ahead. If you want to make money off your labors then you need to find things that people will pay for, not what YOU want to do.
Tao
April 15th, 2008 at 6:26 am
3More sane advice!
I am finding this out too now after starting a site based around something that i loved and am getting pretty much $0 from each month!
Time to re-think my strategy!
Max
April 15th, 2008 at 8:38 am
4@ Sheamus - I agree, I’m not a huge fan of About.com either. I think it’s a complete waste of cyberspace for the most part, but it’s good for research.
I believe About.com’s main strategy is to get as many visitors to their site as possible so they can sell generic banner ads to mega corporations like Kmart and Ford (companies that don’t worry about immediate ROI).
Re: the birds category, go figure
I guess if you can generate more than 22 million visitors per month to your site, then you can write about whatever you want! Here’s the wikipedia page sharing the About.com story.
Ben Cook
April 15th, 2008 at 10:54 am
5Max, this post seems to act as if advertising is the only revenue model for a site when your earlier posts clearly illustrate that it’s not.
You state
but I would disagree with you 100% here. I’ve seen sites dedicated to incredibly obscure niche’s make incredible amounts of money by selling their own products or courses to those interested in the subject. Just because you might not be able to attract high paying advertisers doesn’t mean you can’t still make money in that niche.
I would agree with you that you simply can’t create a hobby site and expect advertisers to support it, but using your example of a tropical birds site, if you created an almanac of tropical birds or perhaps a calendar with great images of tropical birds, you could absolutely make money from a site on that topic.
Sheamus
April 15th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
6@Ben - You could make money from a niche topic, yes, but I think Max’s point was maybe that only a very, very tiny fraction of a percentage of those kinds of sites make a decent return, and typically it’s because they’re stumbled onto a niche market that was on the verge of becoming popular anyway. A site selling calendars of tropical birds can expect to shift how many per year? Fifty, maximum? A site selling calendars (of all kinds) can expect thousands (assuming all other things being taken care of properly.)
Additionally, making money and making money!!! are two different things.
@Max - Cheers for the follow-up. I guess it’s time to set up reallyAbout.com!
Max
April 15th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
7Ben, it depends on how much money you want to make. I think the goal for most people is to make enough to quit their job, so probably $3,000 per month would be sufficient for most people.
Given your tropical bird calendar theory, the average profit for a calendar sale is about $5 after all expenses. To make $3,000 profit per month, you need to sell 600 calendars per month. With an e-commerce industry standard conversion rate of 0.5% of visitors to sales, you need 120,000 unique visitors per month to your tropical bird site. Good luck on that one…
So yes, you CAN make SOME money from a hobby type site, but it will be a heck of a lot more difficult to make any significant money by doing that.
I used the advertising example above because that’s what most people who email me say they are going to use to monetize their hobby site. I wasn’t saying you need to go after niche markets with lots of advertisers to make ad revenue, but rather because those are proven hot markets where advertisers are paying to be in that market.
2ThePoint
April 15th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
8I hear you, Max, but there has to be a happy medium between making money online and doing what you love at the same time, because, frankly, I dread the thought of doing stuff I don’t enjoy doing (even if it pays well) for any longer than I need to.
I like your blog - thanks for sharing all those thoughts up inside yo’ head!
Ben Cook
April 15th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
9Max, ok so the calendar might not have been the best example (I really have no idea what kind of products would appeal to tropical bird lovers) but even if you only sold one time products and used the traditional e-commerce conversion rates, your figures are assuming that you’re only selling one product, and you’re also assuming a price point.
If you were to create some sort of course (maybe how to care for a tropical bird? I really have no idea here) and sold it for $10 a month, you’d only need 300 members before you saw that $3,000 a month level. Even if you only managed to get 30 members a month, you’d make that $3,000 per month level in a year’s time (assuming you’d lose a few along the way as well). Plus, you’d be dealing with a topic that you love rather than something you don’t care at all about.
And that’s just one revenue stream. Maybe you then up-sell your members a tropical bird viewing expedition that you organize that would net you thousands of dollars per trip in commissions per customer. I am struggling with coming up with product ideas in this imagined niche we’re talking about but my point is, niches are much more viable than I think you’re suggesting in this post.
Also, by only targeting established and proven money maker topics, you’ll always miss out on new trends or topics that emerge. For example, imagine you’d started a mixed martial arts blog in the early days of this MMA craze. You’d now be raking in the traffic and be recognized as a leader or authority in the industry.
You’ve certainly made more money online than I have. But, I just don’t agree with your assertion that you should only target proven money making topics. There is definitely money to be made doing that, but the great thing about the internet is that it provides so many different ways to skin the same cat (in this case, making money online).
Tim
April 15th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
10Ben,
My cousin makes huge jack guiding bird tours through the tropics. If you teamed up with someone like him and worked out tours that way it would work.
Frankly, Max, it sounded as thought with this post you were putting all your eggs in one basket and as Ben has posted on here before that is never a good idea. If you had several income streams that added up to your 3K a month it would certainly be a more solid living than just one stream.
Tim
Ben Cook
April 15th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
11@Tim, are you joking? Even if you are, the up-sell isn’t the point. I’m having trouble coming up with one because I don’t really have an interest in tropical birds. I’m willing to bet a true tropical bird enthusiast would be able to figure out some high priced product that other bird lovers would be willing to pay for.
Tim
April 15th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
12@Ben, No joke. He did this for years… I’m not sure that he still does. But he made over 80K a year doing it.
Terry Tay
April 16th, 2008 at 2:21 am
13I think it also has a lot to do with the person running the website. There are some people that can probably make more money with a “Tropical Birds” site than others can make with the “highest paying keyword” type of site.
~Terry
Hjörtur Smárason
April 19th, 2008 at 5:00 am
14You have a point there. It’s a good method to check out if anyone is being your keywords on google to see who might be a possible advertiser. You can also check out affiliate networks to find out who are selling products related to your interests.
But it’s a bit like the old story of the two shoe salesmen that went to a place in Africa to sell shoes. The first one came back saying it was hopeless. Noone was using shoes. The second came back saying it was brilliant. Everybody needed shoes.
I would say, go write about the niche that interests you. You will never make a living from adsense alone so you have to be creative in finding how you can make money from your niche market. Courses, trips, equipment sold through affiliate programs are some of the ideas. Competing to established bloggers and websites on a subject that doesn’t interest you, is going to be slavery and very unlikely to be successful.
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